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March 05, 2008

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Hans Dreyer

I agree to a point with the Michael Lawrence quote. The Kingdom of God should indeed be present wherever we as individuals engage with the outside world. But that's not to say that the only ministry possible is individual and grassroots. In fact, left to this, many Christians will be at a loss - and so do nothing, or very little. The local church can do much to not only equip individuals but foster joint ministry. And failing that, parachurch ministries fill the gap. I think in one sense it's a shame that parachurch ministries are so prominent and effective - obviously they are filling a void not met by local churches. I can speak to that in spades having been involved in workplace ministry for a number of years. When we first started out and didn't know what to do or how to operate, who helped us out? Our local churches? No! It was the active involvement and support of groups like Search Ministries, Navigators, etc. that got us going. And, looking at it more broadly from the perspective of the whole body of Christ, thank God for parachurch ministries and the fact that they _can_ fill the void and _can_ present an interdenominational perspective when local churches can be too parochial. But local churches should be shamed and should be stimulated to engage more in collective, outword-oriented ministry, not just encourage their people to do such individually.

Off my soapbox now :)

Hans

Hans Dreyer

OK, another post - on global warming. It is easy to be confused and even cynical about global warming because of apparently conflicting data (e.g., glaciers are both retreating and expanding, sometimes in the same area, such as Antartica; throughout history we have gone through cyclical heating and cooling periods) and strident/extreme comments and agendas from certain groups. I have just recently finished a wonderful little book called "Cool It" by a Danish economist, Bjorn Lomborg - would highly recommend. He takes a fresh and balanced perspective on this and approaches it from the perspective of seeking to benefit mankind the most with the limited resources we have. He acknowledges the reality of global warming, but criticizes the wild and fear-fostering predictions which have little basis in fact (in fact, interestingly enough, there are often positive sides to global warming that are totally ignored). He criticizes spending oodles of $s on a solution (cutting CO2 emissions) that will have almost negligible effect at the end of 100 years, and instead recommends 1) spending $s on other needs (HIV, water, malnutrition, etc.) which are much more easily addressed and can have a more immediate and significant impact on lives and welfare, and 2) spending $s not on cutting CO2 emissions but making it cheaper to cut CO2 emissions (i.e., research)). Great little book.

Hans

jon

Hans,

Thanks for the recommended book on global climate change--be it warming or cooling. The founder of the weather channel, John Coleman, is calling the Gore version of global warming "the greatest scam in history" (http://tinyurl.com/2odpj6).

I am more interested in the Lawrence quote and the context in which it is found. I don't disagree with your comments regarding the responsibility of the church (organization) to equip the church (body) for "kingdom work" in the community; however, I think the church (organization) should take care that it not offer programs that shake off the load of individual responsibility from community engagement.

Programs tend to attract a given set of individuals that will consistently get involved wherever they find themselves while the fringe stays the fringe. I would prefer a congregation of individuals engaged in community life versus a few well-run programs, but I am NOT against a few well-run programs. The difficulty is tangibly measuring "success" in the case of the former. In fact, the church has to build relationships with community organizations that can help the body meet needs already identified by others. I like holding small groups accountable to some level of community involvement...this allows for creativity, flexibility, and accountability at the grassroots.

Keep pushing.

Champ

I'm going to guess that behind Michael Lawrence's comments is the understanding that the word "church" most basically means "assembly"--that ecclesia is not a metaphor for God's people, but what it actually is--a gathering.

If this is true, then Lawrence seems to be on the right track. The "organized" church does a few things that God mandates His people to do (jointly) when they assemble. But the "organic" church (its individual members) are to do other and broader God-mandated things (separately) when they are not assembled.

jon

That's very helpful, Champ.

Hans Dreyer

So let's look at the early church in Acts. The "programs" of the early church in terms of helping out widows/poor/needy became so demanding that deacons were established :) Obviously the early church didn't just equip individuals and say "bless you, my child, go do your thing out there".

There will always be varying levels of involvement for varying motives.

Mere encouragement to engage without providing more in terms of, yes, equipping, but also concrete opportunity can all too easily result in nothing happening (in spite of good will) and thus effective isolationism.

Hans

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